cageyjames: @pmbatty isn't all that stuff still very niche? I'm just not seeing the quick pickup you are I guess.
cageyjames: @pmbatty That said I'm coming off #esriuc and you #sotm so we skew on our last experiences. Reality is probably between us.
cageyjames: Of course Neo and GIS are just labels people put on others to limit their growth.
pmbatty: @cageyjames early days still but my point is more rapid growth of neo in areas like cartography, analysis, etc than many people think
pmbatty: @cageyjames I agree I'm not a big fan of labels like neo, paleo, GIS, it's all the same problem space
cageyjames: @pmbatty but can you call that neo? What Stamen is doing isn't neo in my book. You seem to say innovative is neo. That isn't true at all.
cageyjames: @pmbatty When I was taking carto classes back in college, was I neo because I used Freehand over pen and paper? Not in my book.
pmbatty: @cageyjames Stamen is using OSM, Mapnik, Virtual Earth, etc - would think that was "neo" though we agree the label is a bit pointless
geobabbler: @pmbatty Neo is GIS. Just like "desktop mapping" was.
pmbatty: @geobabbler I agree that Neo is GIS - I think that is what I was trying to say but you were more concise :)
geokaren: @pmbatty @geobabbler I think of neo as less rooted in technology and more the concept of moving it beyond traditional GIS
cageyjames: @pmbatty ESRI uses OSM, Virtual Earth and other "neo" packages. That doesn't make them neo. Tools make not neo.
geobabbler: Neogeography represents the intersection of GIS with the mainstream web. It's the web telling GIS "this is how you do it."
geobabbler: @pmbatty and I was trying to agree with you but not very well. :-)
pmbatty: @cageyjames Not clear on your definition of "neo"?
pmbatty: @geobabbler Good, I think we're agreeing we agree - 140 chars is a limitation sometimes :)
SeanGorman: @cageyjames @pmbatty 1) getting GIS stuff to work in a browser 2) making GIS stuff accessible to non-GIS people = current innovation
pbissett: @geobabbler @pmbatty I sometimes wonder if we shouldn't maintain an Geo-IRC channel for such discussions. Is there interest?
SeanGorman: Tough bit will be doing new things GIS or others have not thought of - handling/analyzing/visualizing big data and mobile data = my bet
geobabbler: @SeanGorman The "new things" will arise from the questions asked by new audiences as GIS continues to diffuse.
cageyjames: @pmbatty neo is a label, nothing more
SeanGorman: Serving tiles for viewing imagery/maps seems the biggest innovation that GIS was not doing at all followed by user generated geo-content
cageyjames: @SeanGorman it is all a moving target isn't it. What was once hacker is now helping me locate coffee shops near crime.
geobabbler: @cageyjames spot on.
geobabbler: @pbissett it has been bandied about before.
geobabbler: it's somewhat ironic that I am engaged in a "neogeography" discussion while waiting for @ajturner.
pbissett: @geobabbler If I remember correctly from "Innovators..", it was the search for new solutions to old problems that caused the disruption.
SeanGorman: @geobabbler tell him has to wear a wig every time he is referred to as the father of neogeography
SeanGorman: @geobabbler possibly some knickers and a waist coat as well
SeanGorman: @cageyjames yes - because I want to be perky when I get mugged. If life was stationary it would be quite dull.
pmbatty: @geobabbler @SeanGorman I was just going to say that @ajturner will explain all this to you, he is our father :)
cageyjames: @SeanGorman classic, now give me the GeoRSS feed!
SeanGorman: @pmbatty hahahaha I think that quote now makes him Darth Vader or possibly Darth Helmet
SeanGorman: Ok I'm going to quit heckling before @ajturner brings up the fact I can't write code and that I'm of dubious use in general
jharpster: @SeanGorman I bet if we brought out some VBA code you'd be all over it. Don't take @ajturner too seriously.
jharpster: Blog by @pmbatty on the influence of neogeography. "people in the traditional GIS space remain largely unaware" http://bit.ly/21QiKC
ajturner: consider this corollary for those asking what 'neogeography' is: is using an iPhone to update Facebook the same as 'Information Technology'?
cageyjames: @ajturner yup, my point exactly. We are all neo and all paleo. Thus labels fail us when applying at a high level.
fantomplanet: @cageyjames I once heard @ajturner used walk to school uphill both ways!
fantomplanet: @ajturner Answer to your corollary: It's an element and activity that is part of secondary orality (http://bit.ly/10SJeQ). Same with carto.
fantomplanet: @SeanGorman Yeah, but I can still code... A little. #fullspectrumgeographers
SeanGorman: @fantomplanet bragger - I programed my VCR last week to tape "the View" while I was at work.
cageyjames: @fantomplanet coding is for sissies, you get hair on your back by managing projects.
pmbatty: Finished beer and interesting conversation with @perryevans, solved world's neogeography problems, now time for dinner :)
fantomplanet: @pmbatty "Solved world's neogeography problems?"
pmbatty: @fantomplanet I just hope I can still remember all the solutions tomorrow :)
geomantic: @pmbatty @SeanGorman @geobabbler @cageyjames I'm late to the neo paleo geo GIS discussion, but see you found agreement 140 chars at a time?
pmbatty: Wish I was clever enough to understand @ajturner, the Yoda of neogeography :) (@SeanGorman: gift suggestion http://tinyurl.com/l6z62g)
fantomplanet: @pmbatty All @SeanGorman needs to buy @ajturner is a burlap sack and turn it in-side-out. #neogeoyoda
geomantic: @fantomplanet @pmbatty @SeanGorman ...or buy @ajturner a monk's habit. Oh, and get him an appt for a Friar Tuck haircut, too. #picturethis
fantomplanet: @geomantic I think @ajturner already has the haircut.
geobabbler: @ajturner it looks like @gezjames found your wig.
DruidSmith: With all this #neogeography kum-ba-ya, I'm surprised we haven't yet seen any choice words from @fakeajturner entering the fray...
fakeajturner: What? Have I been summoned? I was too busy showing the neogeo "who's your daddy"